the community say no for this proposal Oxmaki when your survey. i don’t think we want any kind of offer
I think it is important to not lose sight of the objectives here. Sushi wants to diversify their treasury (that is good) and add a strategic partner to help them grow the protocol (that is also good). Given Sushi’s track record so far, I trust the Sushi team and I value their input. They know more about this protocol than any of us do, and their leadership has a better sense for how to grow this company and which VCs can help them do that.
I’m not saying that Sushi leadership should make the final decision without our thoughts, but we should definitely consider their opinion because ultimately Sushi leadership will be working one-on-one with the VCs, not us. I would hate for the community to disincentivize VCs that Sushi prefers from participating because we agreed to a limiting proposal. Then, Sushi diversifies their treasury, but is forced to work with VCs they do not value as highly. What is the point of that? We would only be meeting one objective.
Is there a way to identify the VCs that the Sushi developers and leaders want to work with most? I think this is an important piece for us to consider.
And, can you provide an updated list of the VCs “still in the running” with their current Sushi holding percentage? I would also be super curious to see which VCs would support Arca’s proposal and which would otherwise back out.
My understanding of VC investing is that they would like to receive sufficient upside in their investment. Given Sushi’s price today, an argument could be made that there is already sufficient upside without leverage (which I believe is Arca’s mind-set), but I would love to see which VCs think differently and would like some leverage.
Arca’s proposal seemed straight-forward, although I question whether the objectives will be met. Meaning, will Sushi attract the VCs they want to attract? Is Arca simply trying to protect its current meaningful ownership by proposing a solution that disincentives other major VCs with no ownership from entering?
I’m going to second this one. Good deals are about what you get beyond the money - the human value add. You will only get this when the team and VCs respect each other and get alone.
To make this more colorful, imagine your boss asked you to hire his lazy nephew as your new backend engineer. How would you feel? How would he feel? And what would happen to the team’s morale and output?
At a very deep level, you have to let the leaders of the team … lead the team.
Can we go away from determining a TWAP (and the volatility/uncertainty this has caused)
Dutch auction on MISO, Start 2x the current price, set over 7 days.
Let an open market decide the price.
on this page Sushi Phantom Troupe | Detailed Proposal
I click on each proposal and whenever I try to click “read more” nothing happens. (ex. the UMA proposal)
Hey everyone! After discussing on the community call We at Arca released a Twitter thread on our thoughts on the new deal, and how it is priced at +114.29% above the original deal proposed, and sells -53.33% less Sushi than the original proposal. We also wanted to lay out where we think we can be a value add for both the Sushi team and the community. We hope all the strategic investors do the same. If you have any questions or pushbacks on the deal structure or where we think we can be a value add, ask them here and I will do my best to answer them!
I think Jeff has a done lot by stepping in and stopping a disastrous deal from happening. I know John is a big fan of Sushi, not because what he said yesterday, but because he has been a big advocate prior to this proposal. I believe that he was blindsided by this proposal like the rest of us and he stepped in and stopped it.
In regard to Amy, I didn’t think Amy had a chance, especially in my eyes because she was linked to that initial proposal and IMO just provided typical VC vague talk on how value will be added. Not much substance. But, instead of doing a $60M raise only for the VCs, it has been reduced to only $10M for VCs and major investors. So, we can test to see if what Amy is saying is true. If she does help Sushi great, but if not, it won’t have as disastrous consequences as the first proposal. My criticisms of Lightspeed/Amy mainly stem from the first proposal and their connection with it. If she becomes a part of the Sushi team through a fair proposal, which looks like is starting to come to fruition, I will definitely be rooting for her to bring value to Sushi. I don’t have anything personal against her. And if the deal becomes a complete failure, the consequence is only $10M, instead of $60M, which is something that can be stomached.
I think Jeff said something really important yesterday. We got to keep things simple. I agree 100%. The whole talk of options and warranties I think is causing great confusion and fear. I think its best if we just drop the warranty from the proposal. Also, the talk of this proposal has caused too much speculation regarding the current price of the Sushi token and we have witnessed big players dumping Sushi. This has caused some fear in the community and the belief that market manipulation is at play. I think we need to set this OTC price as soon as possible to end the speculation. I do not think a 30-day TWAP would be a good price to set it for, due to all the speculation and manipulation of the price due to this proposal.
Just scroll down, you should be able to see
The main problem for the push of Warrants it creates a lower price floor for dilution in the future for Sushi holders.
They should increase the price of Warrants to, say at $40 that way most present holders wont have a problem with a higher dilution price. If they believe in Sushi the VCs knows even at higher price they get many time over their initial investment after 2 years… with no risk in the mean time and it shows they have in consideration all present stakeholders. If not make your own opinion.
Sushi goal is to be as huge as CoinBase if not better, so in this case the Warrant valuation @ $40 will look as a steal 2years from now. But I doubt Jeff Dorman @jdorman81 will go for that, since hes playing both sides as being the one to help but in the mean time he Orchestrates the whole process timetables, terms and Warrants and strive to win this contest for Sushi Phantom Troupe - Strategic Raise.
Maybe that was the plan all along, I’ll never know for sure but hes the one That I would keep my Eyes on!
Its all about the money dont let them fool you with all their words full of fanciness and misdirecting energy.
Wonder what @jdorman81 Opinion is on a 90days to 120days TWAP for price anchor on this offering. But I doubt he would even entertain this ideas since it would not be in his interest… But we shall see what comes out of this process soon enough and see all involved for what they are.
Agreed. Set an amount, say 1 million SUSHI, fair price determined at auction.
VCs with stronger conviction (priced higher) will end up with more tokens pro-rata.
No warrants, just have another auction in 3-6 months, the incentive is to do well by the community and remain eligible for the subsequent auctions.
Hi @JTT … to be fair, we stopped a terrible deal from happening, and proposed our own new deal, but we didn’t really have anything to do with the current terms. We like them, and support them, but will always defer to the community on what makes most sense.
Unfortunately, there are infinite permutations available when dealing with derivatives (maturities, strikes, tenors, etc). There is never going to be consensus, and inevitably some people will disagree.
We support the basis structure of this deal… but little tweaks here and there are irrelevant to us. We are going to vote yes as soon as this comes to a vote.
I understand your intentions but I also don’t think its fair to mischaracterize @jdorman81 in that way. He’s been one of the only important funds to release good research and analysis on $SUSHI without asking for discounts and is constantly participating. Also, I agree that it shouldn’t be all about the money… but then again if there was no money involved neither you nor I would be on this forum talking right now.
I understand what you are saying, but at same time I’m being cautious of “Jesus walking across the Atlantic Ocean” to come to be our Savior. I did not ‘mischaracterize @jdorman81’, I was just inferring to a possibility… Like I said " I’ll never know for sure" but I know one thing for sure… He is no Angel and he didn’t run a popularity contest to get where hes at ARCA as CFA… All I’m hopping for is a fair, uplifting and beneficial process for all Sushi stakeholders and not for just a handful robing the majority of Sushi stakeholders. That is all and I dont think that’s being unreasonable and all Sushi stakeholders should strive for same, including @jdorman81. Action, intention shows end outcomes. All the best.
I agree with your 1st sentence for the time being, but I still have my reservations 'till we know what the final terms are, which it seems are still cooking. Also I do agree the more simple the better… But still can get over that fact that Arca which you represent is #2 on proposals even though you claim that was not your intention to begin with. If it is just used as a place holder for a better deal, I would commend and respect you for that, but if you dont withdraw ARCA before the end of this ‘Strategic Raise’ then your intentions can be construed as Opportunistic the least and I would easily make the next connection and say the whole thing was a trap and setup by The VC and to Quote you [ “we stopped a terrible deal from happening and proposed our own new deals”] I would change that to “we stopped a terrible deal from happening and proposed your (ARCA) own new deal”]… But I’ll withhold final judgement for when the final terms are in and who is part of it. In the mean time I’ll stay cautiously optimistic and let the facts on the ground speak for themself.
P.S. You haven’t gave a direct response of what you Think about a " 90days to 120days TWAP"
From the forum all the talk about the raise has been in terms of USD. Forget about the strike price of the warranty and the OTC price for the sushi token for a minute. How many sushi tokens are going to be attached to this proposal and what’s its distribution? The original proposal was 25% of the treasury. Now from what Omakase said its 20%. So, will the proposal have 10M sushi tokens attached to it? If so, what’s its distribution between the community sale, vc sale, and warranties? If this question has already been answered, my apologies.
How is the warrant anything but laughable and will you write me calls at the same price and terms?
Why is the warrant needed? Why can’t the team just sell more tokens if its needed. Selling “less” tokens at this price isn’t appealing if the warrant backdates using this price (which you argue is tremendously undervalued lol)
broz , getting involved with VC’s is always a mistake when it comes to community led projects , they dont give a $hit about the community , they only care about their exit profit potential ,
Peace and Love yáll
Hello Sushi Fam,
I recently reviewed the new proposal by Arca/Lightspeed. Check out my Twitter thread that outlines my evaluation in detail, including an explanation on how the warrants actually work, since that is confusing folks: https://twitter.com/cryptowsky/status/1419057507545268225
TLDR; I can’t support Arca’s proposal as it currently stands. UMA’s Success Tokens are superior to the VC proposal for the following reasons, which I advise all of you consider:
(1) Less dilution: with the VCs, the # of tokens/warrant are determined at current price. With UMA, half of the # of tokens are determined at current prices. With the other half (call option), the future value of the option is converted to tokens at the price at redemption. This results in less tokens issued, esp. at lower prices. See below, which uses a $17.28 strike for both models. The dilution of the Success Tokens would be even lower considering their strike price was proposed at $25…
(2) Higher strike: VC proposal starts with a $17.28 strike. That is way too low. It is well below ATH. UMA’s starting strike is $25, which is better, but still low IMO. The strike should be well-above $25 because these VCs need to add value above & beyond what’s been realized.
(3) Independence: I think it is a great governance practice for another independent protocol to design incentives for VCs. The VC should NOT design their own incentive. That’s like the CEO designing their own pay package – which never happens assuming good corporate governance. Additionally, having an independent third party administer the incentives makes community involvement way easier.
I think #3 and #2 are the most important considerations. The strike price for the VC proposal is simply too low. We also need to set precedent with how future raises will be conducted. We cannot have these VCs create their own incentives.
I also want to note that I am willing to compromise if the Sushi team prefers to go with a certain proposal. For example, if they want to move forward with the Arca proposal, I think that’s fine- but we need to definitely raise the strike price. Also, we need a commitment that future incentives for VCs will be managed and developed by independent third-parties.
Again, see full detail here: https://twitter.com/cryptowsky/status/1419057507545268225
I think the Sushi community should spend more time reflecting on the way this raise was originally proposed and how bad it was. Multiple VCs from the initial proposal have been selling large amounts of their Sushi position the past few weeks. A few of them have also started to publicly speak out against the new proposed raise ideas on Twitter, now that they know they won’t be included. It would be nice to have more info on how and why exactly the initial 21-VC proposal was ever even suggested.
Just to clear one thing up: UMA is not looking to propose terms. The Sushi community should set the terms! UMA is simply looking to help facilitate the trade (once the terms are set), and to do this in an on-chain / DeFi native way.
We proposed the Range and Success token ideas as structures that we think make sense for treasury management and diversification, for both Sushi and other projects. I think it’s cool to see Arca/Lightspeed move forward with a version of this, and it’s really cool to see @Cryptowsky riff on this too. While I did go ahead and deploy to mainnet a Success token called
winSUSHI that pretty closely matches @OmakaseBar’s proposed revision, I did this to showcase how the Success token worked, not to “set” terms.
Once terms are agreed, we can figure out execution.